Emory Holmes II, Jim Aaron (AKA Jimmy the Peach, James Lick) and Steve Harlow talk. Jim opened with the importance of craft in artmaking. Rhyming and iambic pentameter in poetry seems old to Jim. Emory points to Walt Whitman's momentum and rhyming of ideas. Suggesting the study the masters, learning the rules, knowing the traditions allows the artist to be a radical in the true sense of going back to the root, which may break the rules. Steve emphasizes communication in art. Emory recognizes individual expertise, pointing out that Rimbaud's genius stands on the work of Baudelaire and Hugo. Steve thinks art is not necessary, but is valuable. Emory brings examples of art in everyday life. Steve thinks humans can't stop making art. Emory tells of a violinist playing music during pauses in war. Steve thinks art is inevitable. Jim thinks of art as a connection with nature. Steve thinks art is the expression of the connection. Jim agrees that the value of art is in the artist to audience communication and that it makes art a cultural necessity - people are changed by being in the presence of an sacred expression. Emory sees art as man's attempt to simulate the divine and to transfer the understanding to others. Emory thinks repetition and endurance is what artists are striving for. Steve discusses the technique of the camera obscura. Emory refers to an introduction Baudelaire wrote about how he writes. Jim says that creativity flows through the individual. Emory recites an poem that came from him in a stream of consciousness, but says he can't trust that a stream like will be there for him every time. The discussion goes into collective unconscious and language. Jim sums up with appreciation for the communication technology that allows this conversation.